Hi! I'm a PC...

[baylorles]

.... and I need to REMAIN a joke rather than try to MAKE jokes.

[The Banterer]

If you're talking about the new commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi1se9rH7S8), I think it's pretty darn good. It's brilliant as a branding spot and is just what Microsoft needs to start changing its image.

[ChipOC]

.... and I need to REMAIN a joke
I don't think you'll have any problems there buddy. :laugh:

[Friscobear]

The joke is that the ad agency that made that commercial for Microsoft used Mac's to create it.

[baylorles]

I don't think you'll have any problems there buddy. :laugh:You picked an appropriate "smiley" for yourself, there. Mouth open, eyes closed.

[cowboycwr]

I really don't care about the whole mac PC arguement. I could care less. I do the basic stuff on a computer so i don't worry about which it is. No years ago when Mac first cme out and had one mouse button, didn't work with any internet site, had no office programs on it and was basically nothing more than a useless paperweight I would have told you I was a PC person

[KellerBear]

Yeah, I HATED Macs until Mac OSX came out...then it was like...why am I still using a PC...*boot*

[baylorles]

Yeah, I HATED Macs until Mac OSX came out...then it was like...why am I still using a PC...*boot*
but no "reboot*

:thumbup:

[nein51]

Posting from the mrs Mac. Its ok. Still incredibly quirky but for internet and email (if that is all you do) I could probably live with it. I dont prefer it but I am making do because going up stairs is just far too much work :D

[Limnos]

Macs are so inferior outside of graphic design that its not even close.

[KellerBear]

Macs are so inferior outside of graphic design that its not even close.

and video production...

[Limnos]

True. The graphics intensive stuff in general.

[SoTex]

You can't take my mac from me. Ever. We're likely getting a macbook at Christmas to add to our imac.

[Limnos]

Everyone has their cross to bear toe. ;)

[SoTex]

Made on a mac (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=D49-YkGdgqk)

[The Banterer]

and video production...

In graphics and video production, Macs and PCs are equally capable now. That wasn't always the case though, as Avid(the first NLE and still the industry standard) was originally a Mac-only piece of software. Same thing with most industry standard graphics suites. Though they're now available on PC, the old guard is so used to using Mac that they aren't going to change, and the newbies first paying gig is probably going to be for someone using a Mac, so that's what they'll use.

[KellerBear]

In graphics and video production, Macs and PCs are equally capable now. That wasn't always the case though, as Avid(the first NLE and still the industry standard) was originally a Mac-only piece of software. Same thing with most industry standard graphics suites. Though they're now available on PC, the old guard is so used to using Mac that they aren't going to change, and the newbies first paying gig is probably going to be for someone using a Mac, so that's what they'll use.

Banterer,

Have you ever used AVID in a production or post-production environment? It is extremely frustrating...especially from a creative standpoint. I have used both AVID and FCP, and would not go back to AVID, because of the shortcomings I found while using it. Of all the places I worked, if it is a creative job that requires any graphics intensive stuff...people have always been using Macs.

[KellerBear]

BTW, I am also editing an HD PBS Special right now on FCP as I typed that.

[The Banterer]

Banterer,

Have you ever used AVID in a production or post-production environment? It is extremely frustrating...especially from a creative standpoint. I have used both AVID and FCP, and would not go back to AVID, because of the shortcomings I found while using it. Of all the places I worked, if it is a creative job that requires any graphics intensive stuff...people have always been using Macs.

I've used AVID in commercial production, and it is probably the least intuitive piece of software I've ever used. However, once you get used to it, it works very well, especially if you buy their hardware. Probably the most difficult thing to overcome when learning it(in contrast to FCP and Premiere) was that you can't do anything with the mouse, so you need either an AVID keyboard or tons of experience.

I definitely prefer editing in FCP or Premiere, but AVID is still the industry standard, though things are gradually shifting towards Final Cut. I find that Premiere is just as capable and easy to use as FCP; the only thing that makes FCP more popular is the tightness of the whole studio package, an area where Adobe is getting better.

The reason that Macs are so dominant is because at one time they were the only real choice, so people got used to them. Most of these people view their production machines not as computers running software, but rather as independent pieces of equipment, so money isn't a concern.

[baylorles]

Made on a mac (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=D49-YkGdgqk)Very nice.

I'm on my way to a One on One at the North Star Apple store.

My experience with the Macbook I bought in February has been inspiring. I've gotten much more out of this little machine then I ever expected to get. The returns have been worth MUCH more than the minimal extra expense I spent over a Windows based product.

[SoTex]

I've owned HP, Dell, Sager (generic notebook), Toshiba, IBM, Apple, and others. Apple products are superior in MANY areas, not just video apps. They are more stable, less (MUCH) prone to viruses, and generally more fun to use. Add to that the fact that you can run traditional pc apps and it's a no-brainer to me.

[Alvination]

I have a Mac, but I don't see any point in being a fanboy of either one. And in any case...isn't a Mac technically a PC too?

But I actually do like this ad and I think it's a good direction for Vista (even if it has Tony Parker in it). Vista's not that bad anyway, in my experiences thanks to Boot Camp on my Macbook.

[KellerBear]

I've used AVID in commercial production, and it is probably the least intuitive piece of software I've ever used. However, once you get used to it, it works very well, especially if you buy their hardware. Probably the most difficult thing to overcome when learning it(in contrast to FCP and Premiere) was that you can't do anything with the mouse, so you need either an AVID keyboard or tons of experience.

I definitely prefer editing in FCP or Premiere, but AVID is still the industry standard, though things are gradually shifting towards Final Cut. I find that Premiere is just as capable and easy to use as FCP; the only thing that makes FCP more popular is the tightness of the whole studio package, an area where Adobe is getting better.

The reason that Macs are so dominant is because at one time they were the only real choice, so people got used to them. Most of these people view their production machines not as computers running software, but rather as independent pieces of equipment, so money isn't a concern.

Glad to know we have another "creative" around here!

[BearTooth]

I've had mac's and pc's over the years and they both have positives and negatives. Macs have always been cool and light and pretty, but there was always much more software available for the pc. That is less an issue now with the emulators that run pc software on the mac platform.

Vista blows goats, and I've installed XP on both machines that were built for it.

Linux is making ground on windows, primarily because of the hardware requirements of vista. I'm running Ubuntu on a couple of 10 year old machines and it's fine. Windows 7 is supposedly lean and mean and will require less hardware for functionality. We'll see when it ships.

[nein51]

Linux main problem is compatibility issues with driver packages.

[BearTooth]

Linux main problem is compatibility issues with driver packages.

Absolutely true.

Ubuntu improves that every other release, and I'm neither smart nor experienced enough to know if that's the linux kernel or Ubuntu that's responsible for the improvement. You still have to compile source code for some applications on linux, and that's impossible for >99% of users. A windows computer is almost a microwave. Take it out of the box, plug it in, and it works. When the linux folks figure out how to deliver THAT, then microsoft has reason to worry.

[nein51]

Beartooth, there is a really funny "motivational poster" that shows a linux compiler and the tag line says, "Linux...most people dont want to build their car from scratch either."

It's funny and oh so true.

[baylorles]

Linux main problem is compatibility issues with driver packages.
That's what scared me off of trying my notebook experiment with Linux.