AP tears into Palin Speech

[KellerBear]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

whether right wing or left wing....people need to check a few facts.

[ChipOC]

Weak

[KellerBear]

Weak

What is weak? There are a few facts in there...also...like I have stated, I am for neither candidate at this point, but I thought that it was interesting.

[Diehard]

What a refreshing sight this week. Media who still care about facts and correctness. Hardly a damning case they make here, but still.

[cowboycwr]

Many of those "facts" depend on how you interepret either the fact or the speech.

The last one is really weak. It would still be change even if it the Dems have only been in power for a year.

[Wacoso]

21 months.

[ChipOC]

Undecided? Take a gander at this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122039919493892941.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries

[BearChick]

I just want to know if they vetted all of Obama's and Biden's claims last week similarly.

[Volunteer]

If you read the AP article, you will notice that they don't actually refute anything she said. They simply state another fact that really has nothing to do with Palin's original statement. Pretty old trick. When faced with a fact you don't like, change the subject.

[Volunteer]

I just want to know if they vetted all of Obama's and Biden's claims last week similarly.

Not that I've seen.

[Volunteer]

Undecided? Take a gander at this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122039919493892941.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries

Great article. Succinct on Obama's positions. I am amazed at his popularity.

[ChipOC]

Vol earned rep for actually reading the article.

[Texas Golfer]

I just want to know if they vetted all of Obama's and Biden's claims last week similarly.

They did not.

2008 - the year real journalism died in America.

[The Banterer]

If you read the AP article, you will notice that they don't actually refute anything she said. They simply state another fact that really has nothing to do with Palin's original statement. Pretty old trick. When faced with a fact you don't like, change the subject.

What specific examples stand out to you as not refuting anything?

[The Banterer]

They did not.

2008 - the year real journalism died in America.

Journalism's been dead longer than that. The rise to prominence of 24-hour cable news networks are, in my opinion, largely to blame. Turns out there isn't anywhere near 24 hours of news at any given time, and it turns out that people like the other programming the these "news" networks provide better than the real news.

This goes both ways, Republican and Democrat(I hesitate to say Conservative and Liberal, because they rarely reach that depth of analysis).

[quash]

They did not.

2008 - the year real journalism died in America.
Try 2002.

[KellerBear]

The only thing that really stuck out that I did not like about any of the speeches was when they poked fun at community organizers.

I know what community organizers do. They register people to vote. They get people involved with the political process. They know the real, day-to-day problems of the people in their community like the back of their hand. They help people with their life problems, helping elderly folks keep the lights on and helping groups with a significant problem get organized enough to get the attention of an alderman or city hall. The people on the ground, the "community organizers" and very local politicians, do a ton of good work for the people of this country. And through that process, they gain a deep understanding of the real problems and thoughts of everyday people.

Susan B. Anthony was a community organizer. Martin Luther King Jr. was a community organizer. Community organizers have responsibilities, unlike what Sarah Palin states.

[quash]

I just want to know if they vetted all of Obama's and Biden's claims last week similarly.
You can Tivo every news source and spend half your life deciding how they did.

Or you can go here: http://www.factcheck.org/

[BrooksBearLives]

Vol earned rep for actually reading the article.

I read the article. But I saw absolutely nothing specific in there at all. 38% of Americans don't pay taxes at all? Now that's just not true.

I did notice that the article was written by a former "W" stooge. And I must say, his ethos is incredibly strong after I look around at the economy today...:001_unsure:

[cowboycwr]

Here is an interesting article about a similar thing. Spreading lies about Palin and them being proven false.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/top-7-myths-lies-and-untruths-about-sarah-palin/

[Chief'sbear]

I voted for Obama in the primary. But I have lost confidence over the last few months. His talk just seems more and more empty and very generic.

And now, we have this hot chick to vote for. So I will vote for the guy with hot chick running mate.

I think they are both (McCain and Obama) full of crap. Although, I give McCain props for his background. And Cindy McCain's skins on the wall are enough to embarrass any democrat.

That chick has done some stuff. She was Angelina before Angelina was. Adopting that Bangledesh girl. Being involved with Operation Smile. Has anyone seen that TV special before? It freakin' made me cry. I didn't know she was with them. Then arranging for doctors and hospital supplies to Micronesia. Maybe Cindy should be running...

[BrooksBearLives]

Here is an interesting article about a similar thing. Spreading lies about Palin and them being proven false.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/top-7-myths-lies-and-untruths-about-sarah-palin/

I hadn't heard any of those or seen any of those pictures.

But I remember you not giving Obama the same benefit of the doubt. There is NO WAY these "lies and untruths" can compare to those spread about Obama.

And I don't remember your uproar about it then... that's strange.

[BrooksBearLives]

Not selling on eBay

Sarah Palin, in her speech, told a carefully stated -- but accurate -- story of putting a state-owned jet up for sale on eBay.

Palin did not, as the ADN reported at the time, succeed in selling it on eBay; she tried and failed.

She didn't actually claim to have though:

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

And she did put it on eBay, which seems like a good piece of symbolism and a clever stunt, even if she wound up selling it through more traditional channels.

But McCain, retelling the story, misstated it today:

"You know what i enjoyed the most? She took the luxury jet that was acquired by her predecessor and sold it on eBay -- made a profit," he said, introducing Palin.

Well, no. And the state sold it at a loss of half a million dollars.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

[Diehard]

Maybe Oprah can ask her for some clarification. Oh wait, she's refusing to have her on the show.

[Preacher Moze]

Palin stretched and bent the truth repeatedly in her speech. She also told partial truths, especially about the "Road to Nowhere."

But lying by politicians is pretty much par for the course.

[BrooksBearLives]

Maybe Oprah can ask her for some clarification. Oh wait, she's refusing to have her on the show.

Can I see where that is? That's a rumor on Drudge.

I think that's really funny that they'd be *****ing about it. Especially since the McCain campaign has been trying to hide Palin since the selection. Mainly because she's SOOOOO unprepared for any policy questions its not even funny.

She is literally the only person on the ticket not hitting the Sunday talk shows. And her absence is conspicuous.

[Diehard]

ABC News: "Is Oprah Biased? Host Won't Interview Palin"

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5736716&page=1

Oprah is doing her candidate a real disservice by playing RIGHT into the narrative of the media being in the business of picking sides. Remember Queen Oprah endorsed Obama and had him on the show.

[BrooksBearLives]

ABC News: "Is Oprah Biased? Host Won't Interview Palin"

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5736716&page=1

So its a rumor...

Besides, who's surprised by this?

[Chief'sbear]

Palin stretched and bent the truth repeatedly in her speech. She also told partial truths, especially about the "Road to Nowhere."

But lying by politicians is pretty much par for the course.

They ALL do it.

[Diehard]

The fact Oprah has commented on it kind of takes it out of rumor and into hard fact. She said she won't have her on the show.

[Chief'sbear]

The fact Oprah has commented on it kind of takes it out of rumor and into hard fact. She said she won't have her on the show.

What are you trying to say?

[The Banterer]

5) Palin “Opposes Sex Education”

The Charge: Palin opponents say she supported the end of all sex education in public schools. In light of her daughter’s presumably unplanned teen pregnancy, this has been a particularly well discussed Internet topic.
The Facts: “The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” Palin wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates. Palin favors abstinence-based sex education programs.This is from the Fox News link above. I haven't heard any sort of serious discussions on any of the topics Fox News mentioned from any source other than on very liberal blogs which don't even have much credibility among liberals.

The part I quoted though seems to do little to help Palin on this topic, as the situation within her own family (which I think is fair to use in this case) demonstrates that abstinence-based sex-ed does not work. Also, the phrase "explicit sex-ed programs" is very vague. Is she talking about programs that use naughty words like *****, ****** and semen? Are those the explicit programs she opposes?

Edit: Haha, apparently they're too explicit for GGR.

[BrooksBearLives]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/winfrey-report-about-palin-categorically-untrue/

Apparently, the Oprah banning is false.

[Texas Golfer]

I voted for Obama in the primary. But I have lost confidence over the last few months. His talk just seems more and more empty and very generic.

And now, we have this hot chick to vote for. So I will vote for the guy with hot chick running mate.

I think they are both (McCain and Obama) full of crap. Although, I give McCain props for his background. And Cindy McCain's skins on the wall are enough to embarrass any democrat.

That chick has done some stuff. She was Angelina before Angelina was. Adopting that Bangledesh girl. Being involved with Operation Smile. Has anyone seen that TV special before? It freakin' made me cry. I didn't know she was with them. Then arranging for doctors and hospital supplies to Micronesia. Maybe Cindy should be running...

Cindy McCain will make an excellent First Lady.

[Texas Golfer]

I hadn't heard any of those or seen any of those pictures.

But I remember you not giving Obama the same benefit of the doubt. There is NO WAY these "lies and untruths" can compare to those spread about Obama.

And I don't remember your uproar about it then... that's strange.

There are none more blind than those who refuse to see.

[Texas Golfer]

ABC News: "Is Oprah Biased? Host Won't Interview Palin"

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5736716&page=1

Oprah is doing her candidate a real disservice by playing RIGHT into the narrative of the media being in the business of picking sides. Remember Queen Oprah endorsed Obama and had him on the show.

She had Obama on her show TWICE but refuses to have Palin on her show until AFTER the election.

[cowboycwr]

I hadn't heard any of those or seen any of those pictures.

But I remember you not giving Obama the same benefit of the doubt. There is NO WAY these "lies and untruths" can compare to those spread about Obama.

And I don't remember your uproar about it then... that's strange.

What uproar am I causing? I simply posted a link to an article that was on a similar subject. Lies being spread ABOUT the politician and how the article disproved them. I have said nothing about Obama or lies being spread about him. IF you are getting that out of my post you are reading way to much into it. I simply provided a link to an article that I thought was relevant to the discussion since it dealt with politicians and lies spread about them.

What Obama lies are you referring to? The ones jetski used to post on the other site repeatedly?

[BearChick]

She had Obama on her show TWICE but refuses to have Palin on her show until AFTER the election.

Eh, Oprah's ratings are down 9% this past year. Palin probably wouldn't want to appear on there anyway. Her ratings are rising. ;)

[Texas Golfer]

So its a rumor...

Besides, who's surprised by this?

:rolleyes:

[Texas Golfer]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/winfrey-report-about-palin-categorically-untrue/

Apparently, the Oprah banning is false.

Apparently, Oprah is now back-peddling. However, she admitted to not allowing Palin to be on the show until AFTER the election even though she interviewed Obama twice on her show. I believe she also had Michelle Obama on her show.

[quash]

Apparently, Oprah is now back-peddling. However, she admitted to not allowing Palin to be on the show until AFTER the election even though she interviewed Obama twice on her show. I believe she also had Michelle Obama on her show.

So, do you want to go back to the practice of govt telling private media they have to give equal time? Otherwise you just have to say Oprah earned a big following and has the right to exploit it. Life ain't fair.

[Texas Golfer]

So, do you want to go back to the practice of govt telling private media they have to give equal time? Otherwise you just have to say Oprah earned a big following and has the right to exploit it. Life ain't fair.

"Go back to the practice govt telling private media they have to give equal time?" I don't recall the government EVER telling media that have to give equal time.

In any case, I'm not saying Oprah has to do anything. It's clear she got involved in the political process by campaigning for Obama which is her right. She has used her show to give Obama face time with the public. She's refusing to give Palin that same courtesy which, again, is her right. But she shouldn't try to pass it off as anything other than political posturing.

[quash]

But she shouldn't try to pass it off as anything other than political posturing.

Totally agree.